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Anthony Maguire

Heres a reply i received from ANX Support regarding the thread of not receiving the 25,000 startcoin which was promised in the initial contract. It looks to me as though ANX are trying to pass the buck onto StartJoin for not supplying the 25000 StartCoin as described in the original offering:- AUG 03, 2015 | 09:13AM HKT
Maverick - Customer Support - ANX replied:

Good day Anthony, thank you for your email.

Under the terms of the agreement between StartJoin and ANX, StartJoin retained the pledged funds and will immediately loaded each card with 25,000 START, converted to USD at an exchange rate dictated by StartJoin. At the time of the transaction all pledged customers benefited from a significant profit on the pledge.

ANX loaded the cards as the funds are received from StartJoin. ANX has not received any Startcoin or pledged funds. other than approximately $30 USD to cover the costs of the card and shipping.

Should you have any concerns or reservations with respect the exchang

Aug 3rd 2015, 11:54

Anthony Maguire

continued, text posting maxxed out , from above Anx response to me :- ... approximately $30 USD to cover the costs of the card and shipping.

Should you have any concerns or reservations with respect the exchange rate used for the conversion, we recommend you contact StartJoin support.

Have a great day.
Thanks and regards,
Maverick
Customer Support Team

Aug 3rd 2015, 11:56

Matt Reynolds

well this could be an on going rumble , and a grumble - so hey startcoin support - what's the likelihood of you giving each investor 25000 start , now that they are cheaper again and the global markets are collapsing atm

Aug 24th 2015, 23:17

Matt Reynolds

only joking , cof cof choking

Aug 25th 2015, 08:18

Anthony Maguire

Also Personally i think that ANX's website has one of the most confusing and un-user friendly interfaces of any website i have ever used.

Jul 31st 2015, 12:24

Matt Reynolds

TRUE how can you check what is on your card?. you cant. just remember all your spendings then.

Aug 24th 2015, 23:05

Paul Mulcahy

Hi Anthony,

I think it's in the best interests of the people who brought us this project to find some way of rectifying that ripped off/defrauded feeling a lot of us still have.
I had an existing ANX account previous to this card yet ANX couldn't explain to me how someone without my authority could make trades within my account and then make a withdrawal from my account which even I need Two-Factor authentication to do.
I let it go because it wasn't worth pursuing for $250US.

BUT NOW. 25,000start = approx. $3420US
Now that's worth pursuing.

We're all hoping for great things from START and if that happens I think the way this project has been left will cause them some problems in the future.

Jul 13th 2015, 22:35

Dan Anderson

That's fairly disappointing to find out. I was just looking at this thinking, Wow, everyone made out great on this. But there are dozens of upset people in this thread.

Jul 14th 2015, 08:18

Dan Anderson

In the pitch: The reward will be preloaded with 25,000 StartCOIN, ready to spend.
In the comments: These ANX debit cards can only hold a fiat balance as they are part of a global payment network and can only transact in fiat cash. The project description should have been more clear and we will keep that in mind for future projects.

IMO - They knew they were misleading people the whole time and this isn't just a case of poor wording. Disappointing to find out about this knowing that ANX is promoted as a StartCOIN partner on StartCOIN.com.

Jul 14th 2015, 08:21

Dan Anderson

But at least y'all made $100.

Jul 14th 2015, 08:27

Anthony Maguire

Hi Paul and Dan,

ANX have breached the contractual agreement with the people who signed up to this. Still NOT a whisper of a comment from ANX or Hugh M about this, Come on speak out?

Paul - I agree with the comments you have both posted also. Paul, a $250US withdrawal is more than i would

personally tolerate, its the principal that matters here i would pursue it if it were $2.50c US but thats just my

opinion. Also $3420-US is the point i was trying to raise in my comment.Dan - I also agree that ...- They knew they were misleading people the whole time and this isn't just a case of

poor wording... .

Also Dan , we may have made the $'s and that part of the contract was honoured, However, the stated

StartCoin assignment of the contract was not.

A case of selective contractual implementation on ANX' part.

regards,

Tony

Jul 31st 2015, 11:57

Anthony Maguire

I feel i have been defrauded . This project firmly stated the following FACT : -

PRELOADED WITH STARTCOIN, READY TO SPEND

The reward will be preloaded with 25,000 StartCOIN, ready to spend.

What we got was USD AND NO STARTCOIN , Why has no one from ANX explained this massive falsehood?

If i had wanted crappy Fiat currency i would have purchased it. The reason i backed this project was because i wanted to assist START-COIN in establishing itself.

What ANX have done here, as far as i am concerned is the kind of sly manouvering that the banksters carry out.

ANX or Hugh Madden are you going to reply with some answers or is your silence going to be our witness to what happened here with this project?

Jul 4th 2015, 19:37

Martin Shanahan

accepting your disappointment, if you'd swapped the $250 back into startcoin when you first had the card, you could have been re-investing them since then and had the chance of a massive profit this weekend. So why still so angry?

Jul 5th 2015, 13:37

Anthony Maguire

Smart answer, not smart enough. You, like everyone else cannot understand a question because you have not answered it. the CONTRACT was for 25,000 STARTCOIN not USD or GBP or other Fiat rubbish, it was for 25,000 STARTCOIN, the contract was never fullfilled, thats why still angry, if you want to be turned over go ahead and be turned over.

Jul 10th 2015, 10:13

Anthony Maguire

I am still waiting for an answer from ANX or Hugh Madden?

Jul 10th 2015, 10:14

Europe Crypto Group

contacted ANX support for 2 days ago still waiting for answer back, my cards don't seem to be working.

May 21st 2015, 10:21

Jamie Scott

Did you email the end of the card number and pin to the address mentioned on the piece of paper. You need to activate the cards first?

May 21st 2015, 11:19

james reilly

i have bought 3 items from tiny deals payment seems to have gone through, but i tried to deposit on 2 poker sites and the card was declined

May 21st 2015, 14:35

Europe Crypto Group

they are looking into resolving the issue. some cards worked some didn't. got answer from support so all will be ok.

May 21st 2015, 17:03

james reilly

nice one mine is working everywhere except poker sites

May 21st 2015, 18:30

David Scully

I think I have a problem with my card. I used it to buy 50 euro worth of petrol but when I went to the ATM to withdraw another 50 it said insufficient funds. Any advice?

Mar 17th 2015, 17:30

Jamie Scott

Please contact ANX for card support.

Mar 17th 2015, 17:49

Gert

Hi. I like to share my experience with the anx debit card. Yes. I also was a little disappointed that the start coin was converted to USD. But after all, you get 100$ for an GREAT working card This is a superb way to spend the start coin when prices are able to go higher the coming years. I can confirm the card is working fine in Belgium at a regular ATM where I have withdrawn some little cash (euro's) to find out. The only minor flaw is not showing the balance. Even not in the ANX vault app. But maybe it's me and will find out later. When the ATM has only 4 positions for the PIN, it should work (according to Mr. Patrick from anx service) by entering only the first 4 numbers of the 6 PIN received from ANX. I can't confirm this yet. Also made an online purchase minutes ago which was successful. Next is recharging with start coin myself. Looking forward to a strong startcoin community with respect to maxcoin and other crypto's. We are ALL in the same boot so share the love.

Mar 16th 2015, 18:02

John .

Agree with this I too was disappointed with not receiving Startcoin but I made $100 profit so am ok with that. The card works fine but could do with the ability to convert Startcoin. One possible use for this I think is that you are able to receive cash or purchase items without any funds going through your bank account, am I correct?

Mar 16th 2015, 18:13

Gert

Nope.No Bank needed I guess. That was THE IDEA IMHO-)

Mar 16th 2015, 18:18

marketing ANX

Hi John and Gert,
You are absolutely correct and this is the key benefit of having a ANX debit card. It allows you to load a particular amount of cryptocurrency onto the debit card at the time you wish so that you can spend it on any ATM or merchants that is part of the global payment network worldwide. Its a method to make your cryptocurrency more accessible that you can spend it to make purchase or withdraw cash.

We hope you enjoy using the StartCoin ANX Debit Card and the ANX platform. If you have any question, please do not hesitate to email us at [email protected]

Mar 19th 2015, 10:15

Jamie Scott

I've just emailed all north american users to process their refunds.

Mar 16th 2015, 09:21

Jamie Scott

Processed all the refunds of people that replied to the email. Sorry N America it's a shame that you can't get access to these cards.

Mar 17th 2015, 14:19

William York

I used $155 worth Bitcoin to pay for this card, expecting that it would come loaded with 25,000 Startcoin. Now I have come to find out -- through this message board, not through any official communications -- that because I'm in North America, I won't even be receiving the card. The refund had better be for more than $155. Otherwise, I essentially just gave StartJOIN/ANX an interest-free loan, denominated in Bitcoin, that will be paid back to me in dollars that are worth less (relative to BTC) than they were when I made my payment. If so, then that is flat out terrible.

Mar 14th 2015, 02:10

Joshua Cloud

William, I'm in the same boat. I'm sure they'll refund the BTC pledged. I pledged about .7 twice for two cards, and that's what I'm expecting back. There's a bitpay record of the Tx, so I think it will be like any ordinary store refund where you get right back what the receipt says you gave.

Mar 14th 2015, 11:46

marketing ANX

Hi william and Josh,
Unfortunately, we cannot serve customers in your jurisdiction due to the regulation uncertainty in the US. Startjoin will provide you with a refund with your pledged amount. Please accept our apology for any inconvenience this has caused.

Mar 19th 2015, 10:10

Joshua Cloud

No worries. Thanks for reaching out.

Mar 19th 2015, 12:04

Nigel Surgenor

Is it the same for Canada ?? Because if you need a address in a different country to send the card to, i can supply that too..

Mar 30th 2015, 01:28

Frosty NZ

So your telling me once I receive my card it will only contain $250 and not the 25000 startcoin I backed the project for?

Mar 13th 2015, 09:04

Frosty NZ

yeah confirmed, just got topped up now and somehow 25000 startcoin gets converted to $250 WTF I am sooo furious right now

Mar 13th 2015, 09:24

K M

Join the club :) It's futile to say anything about it though, you're talking to a brick wall basically. The only advise I can give you at this point is convert the 250 USD back to BTC and buy START. I've bought around 10000 START with 250 euro, which is aroud 250 USD these days. Well below the 25000 START that were promised, but prices are skyrocketing the last few days. 10000 START can still become a small fortune when START takes off. I was upset as well, trust me. But waiting now will only shrink what's left

Mar 13th 2015, 09:57

K M

The 250 USD is still on my card, going to Thailand in a few months so I'm going to give it a try over there. The 10000 START I've bought are now in my offline wallet, and trust me, it's a great feeling to finally have a decent amout of START (well for my standards at least). I know you're probably only furious about how this project turned out, but still have faith in SJ/SC just like me. I guess I just proved that I'm still 100% behind all of this. Too bad the lack of communication and transparency made many doubt this whole SJ/SC thing. But this is the only coin and platform that really stands out for me. I really believe that when they practice what they preach, this will be a great success

Mar 13th 2015, 10:07

Gasper Mohorcic

We are all furious, but there's nothing you can do. I don't get it why they didn't just write that we'll get 250$ and not 25k startcoins at the first place.
I payed with BTC and while I was waiting, the BTC price went up, so now I'm just about breakeven with this investment :)

Mar 13th 2015, 13:06

StartJoin Revolution

There is something you can do. Create your own project and if it's successful you could end up with far more StartCoin than 25000, :)

Mar 13th 2015, 13:55

marketing ANX

Thanks for all your questions. These ANX debit cards can only hold a fiat balance as they are part of a global payment network and can only transact in fiat cash. The project description should have been more clear and we will keep that in mind for future projects.

We hope you enjoy using the StartCoin ANX Debit Card and the ANX platform. If you have any questions or comment, please feel free to email us at [email protected]

Mar 19th 2015, 10:08

Jamie Scott

It's just been confirmed from ANX that they can't send cards to users in north america. Therefore these users will be receiving a refund next week.

Mar 13th 2015, 08:30

ted moyle

Can you provide more details about the refund for the USA guys? Are we getting 25,000 SC put into our SJ account? Sucks that we don't get the card like everyone else, but this way at least we get the SC we paid for.

Mar 16th 2015, 05:51

K M

If you read this comment section carefully, you'le come to realize NOONE got their 25000 START. So you won't be either

Mar 16th 2015, 10:25

K M

you'll

Mar 16th 2015, 10:26

K M

If I'm wrong plz let us know

Mar 16th 2015, 10:26

Jacob Trowbridge

MAR 13, 2015 | 11:41AM HKT
Patrick replied:

Hi Jacob,

Sorry for the confusion. I somehow messed up 2 emails.

Unfortunately your shipment has not been sent as ANX has advised that they can not service customers from the North American regions. As a result of this, StartJoin will be issuing a refund to you for your pledge of a StartCoin debit card. StartJoin will be contacting you with respect to your refund.
Patrick
Customer Support Team

Mar 13th 2015, 03:45

Paul Mulcahy

How can I be upset with $100 profit and a new MC but the project stated,
ANX Debit Card loaded with 25,000 StartCOIN. Spend your StartCOIN anywhere, anytime just like a regular debit card, that's not what I've been given. If I ordered a salad in a restaurant and was brought a steak yes I'd be happy but it's still NOT what I ordered. Censorship??

Mar 11th 2015, 17:34

PriceactionofCRYPS

How can i buy bitcoin with the card? Would have preferred it remain in startcoin. I don't know of any exchange that accepts a debt card payment for bitcoin. So i can then buy startcoin.

Mar 11th 2015, 17:30

Sterling Peyton

I would suggest purse,io as another way to buy bitcoin.

May 16th 2015, 18:43

John Rossiter

Just ordered my card which i paid for in bitcoin and is loaded with startcoin which is converted to USD that i will withdraw in Euros that i will use to buy bitcoin to convert to startcoin.....makes sense

Mar 10th 2015, 21:05

Reloop Audio

Just tried my debit card at a few cashpoints. The first one I went to didnt work when I tried to view my balance. So I went to another cashpoint and there I could view my balance. Strangely it said theirs £250 on there, which I'm sure isnt the case, and the ATM wouldnt let me withdraw £250 so I tried £100 and surprise surprise... It worked

Mar 9th 2015, 19:32

Eric Gale

That's good to know. I am still waiting for my cards to arrive here in Canada.

Mar 9th 2015, 19:41

Mr Solomon

Thank you for my ANX card it arrived ok
& now i am up $100 & able to use crypto to fund my card,
thank you again
lets have and end to this Dollars v Coin debacle
a house divided upon itself cannot stand
be grateful for what you have got

Mar 9th 2015, 02:08

Jacob Trowbridge

Did you get a tracking number for your ANX Card. Or, were you given a heads up when it was being delivered? The customer service individual told me about a week ago to be on the look out for an email when it was to be delivered...nothing yet.

Mar 9th 2015, 02:29

Mr Solomon

Jacob yes i received a tracking number in an email on the 2nd march & the card arrived the next day

Mar 9th 2015, 02:37

Jacob Trowbridge

Thanks for the reply Mr. Solomon. Also, the break even point for this venture is BTC at $360. Meaning, most of us paid .7 (approx) BTC for the $250. If BTC goes above $360...then we actually lost money. ($360 x .7 =$252) So as of now, me having not received my card, I am only at a $40 profit. (because BTC is around $300)

Mar 10th 2015, 02:51

John .

I think this debate has lost its focus wasn't the original problem about lack of communication not only on this project but others as well

Mar 8th 2015, 12:42

Europe Crypto Group

LOL maxcoin community help startjoin? the maxcoiners complaining none had pledged to ANY startcoin project to help the eco system @MikeMurphey, and funny to see you answer when people have been trying to contact you for a month or more. LOL now you come to help maxcoin community after them bashing SJ for personal financial gain. and not helping start as community.

Mar 8th 2015, 12:09

Mike Murphy

I came here to update backers of my projects, which I did, and witnessed this drama unfolding where one of the maxcoin foundation members was pilloried, his comments censored, his open project ended and his account banned for stating inconvenient truths. You need to get some perspective ECG. A large number of maxcoin supporters are also huge supporters of SJ and SC. The community is the most important element behind a crowd sourcing business model. SJ are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts either. Anyway, I don't want to get drawn into this debate any further. I think the issues of contention are quite clear at this point.

Mar 8th 2015, 12:21

Europe Crypto Group

thats were your wrong mike, because you don't spend time on SJ and you DIDNT check the backed projects of the maxcoiners complaining . NONE HAVE EVER PLEDGED TO ANY START project,

Mar 8th 2015, 12:24

Europe Crypto Group

i repeat: NONE HAVE BACKED 0$ TO START projects. ONLY THEY're own MAXCOIN project. action speak louder then words. and that says it all.

Mar 8th 2015, 12:25

Mike Murphy

They have to buy startcoin to pledge to those projects, right? So it is completely irrelevant which projects they pledge to as long as they are still pledging. SJ still get their share, and SC gets market buoyancy. And I've spent countless hours on this site, right from day 1. I was pre-registered before the site even launched. I only got into maxcoin in the first place as I thought it would be the currency of this platform and have been a huge supporter of both communities all along and have taken eye-watering losses in these attempts. Yet I am still here, trying to do my best to get this platform in the mainstream. For this to happen, SJ needs to respect its user base regardless of where their altcoin loyalties lie. Like I said, you need to get some perspective before you open your mouth.

Mar 8th 2015, 12:34

Nemanja Petrovic

Alex stfu, you were also supporting maxcoin as well. You are Keiser's bitch, so you are irrelevant.

Mar 8th 2015, 12:53

Reloop Audio

ECG, I am not one to complain often. I dont like to get vocal about things and for that reason have remained quite. That does not mean that I dont feel the exact same way as others feel in this situation. Everyone is free to pledge as the choose & SJ will always receive their cut no matter what. I also support numerous other projects on here because sharing is caring.

Mar 8th 2015, 13:13

John .

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Mar 8th 2015, 13:15

Joshua Cloud

I bought a Mexican silver round this morning when I awoke to see SC was up a little. I'm not rich, so I want my SC to stretch. Then I read this ridiculous comments accusing Maxcoiners of not supporting the SJ/SC ecosystem. I want to buy more rounds, but Ill have to buy more SC, which is itself supporting SC. I thought Id have 50k SC to buy these rounds, and thats why I supported the ANX card. Ive already explained that, but you must think Im a liar.
Anyone who supports ANY project on SJ is supporting SJ/SC, and anyone who launches ANY project on SJ is supporting SJ/SC. Maxcoin has launched several. I run the Maxcoin Twitter account and often mention @StartJOIN when I tweet our projects. Thats supporting SJ. I already told you I bought SJ equity, which means I believe in SJ. The truth is that all brands and businesses use crowdfunding to promote their own brands/products. DUH Thats what crowdfunding is.
This is not about Maxcion vs. SJ/SC. That is a misdirection. Plenty of othe

Mar 8th 2015, 13:21

Nemanja Petrovic

you forgot to mention who had started StartCoin Silver project. That would be Mike, and now he is accused about not supporting SJ and SC.

Mar 8th 2015, 13:27

Joshua Cloud

(continued) Plenty of other non Maxcoiners have expressed misgiving about the ANX project. Plus, we have one foundation member who has supported countless of SC projects here. So youre grinding your own axe to deflect the real problems. Pathetic.

Mar 8th 2015, 13:34

StartJoin Revolution

Mike's checked out Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations and has seen the epic battle waging between StartCoin and MaxCoin, lol. Only joking Mike, I think your like me and didn't back the project but can see that people have valid concerns. I do think MaxCoin Believer went a little too far.

Mar 8th 2015, 10:58

Mike Murphy

A quick calculation... SJ are exchanging 25,000 SC for $250. At current market prices of bitcoin, that means that SJ themselves are valuing SC at approximately 0.00003639 btc each. The market price of SC on bittrex for example is trading at a 43% premium to this. I ask again, why should we pay 43% more on the open market than startjoin are willing to pay? I find the way SJ has handled Maxcoin Believer and some of the comments about the MaxCoin community to be absolutely shameful. And censoring of posts, banning of users and unilateral ending of projects is just ridiculous. This is turning into a farce. Sort this out guys, and unban Maxcoin Believer. He has done nothing but post valid criticisms and concerns.

Mar 8th 2015, 10:38

Max Keiser

3.7 mn. coins supply released into market that trades avg. daily vol. of 200,000 means coin price would no doubt plumb new 52 week lows in the 10 to 20 range. Economics is odd, in that it's not unusual to find people arguing they'd prefer losses instead of guaranteed gains. But hey, people are buying houses in Dublin again, so go figure.

Mar 8th 2015, 10:58

StartJoin Revolution

Like I said, shouldn't there be consideration for ANX who are providing the service?

Mar 8th 2015, 11:03

Max Keiser

Obviously, people would prefer, not a free $100 - but instead, to reflect the size of the market and avg. daily vol. and all factors inclusive - a free $2. Now where I come from, $100 is more than $2 but I repeat: economics is odd in that people will argue against their interests all the time - which gives us the incredible bubbles and troughs we see in markets since the beginning of markets.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:07

StartJoin Revolution

As I see it people think someone have bought the coins cheap and it's not fair. But that someone has thought up a project to help better the community.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:07

michael mccullagh

From what I can see everyone wants 25000 startcoin. It was asked many times during the project if people would be getting startcoin or fiat. The answer was very clear on each occasion.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:10

Mike Murphy

Max, I totally get that the startcoin market is too immature to handle making the market for this card. And the need for SJ to step in as a market maker. But why are they making the market at an order of magnitude less than market price? The markets should reflect the true supply, instead of attempting to peg it at a level that is clearly too high. Maxcoin Believer obviously touched a sore spot for SJ here, or else his projects wouldn't have been shut down unilaterally and his account banned. He had an open project for the maxcoin foundation which has now suffered as a result of this. The Maxcoin community are here for the same reasons as everyone else. To HELP startjoin reach it's potential, and to join the revolution... not to hinder it. Jamies comments about them being greedy trolls are unfair to a community that has to this point been one of the major engines of startjoin's success to date. Am I wrong?

Mar 8th 2015, 11:13

Mike Murphy

Whoever is buying houses in Dublin right now need careful psychiatric assessment.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:14

Mike Murphy

And just for the sake of clarity, I'm just playing devil's advocate in this situation. I didn't back this project and t have no issues with any of the parties involved. But I do take issue with the kind of contempt SJ seems to hold the maxcoin community in and the unilateral closing of accounts and projects and the censoring of user comments. That really is not on guys.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:22

Mike Murphy

It takes two to tango SJ revolution. Scroll down through the comments and you can see that Jamie was clearly provoking him. If the startcoin market price is to remain credible at current levels, then SJ need to pay fair share and not expect the user base to pay more than they are willing to themselves. Anyway, I've added my two cents to this debate. Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes here. I'm just calling it like it is.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:46

StartJoin Revolution

Yeah but Mike the comments drop of the feed so not all the comments are available now to check.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:52

StartJoin Revolution

With running my own project and having 100% positive feedback all I can say is that in my mind is about keeping my backers happy.

Mar 8th 2015, 11:57

Reloop Audio

Mike I share the same concerns as you. As an avid maxcoin supporter I also find the way SJ has handled this to be completely unacceptable. Why censor people? Is this not a free and open community ? I really dont know what to think at this point as the way certain members have proved to conduct themselves is quite shocking to be fair when their are very legitimate concerns being raised by many more than just the very vocal and now banned MaxcoinBeliever. I was one backer of the foundation project and im not happy that the wider maxcoin community is being passed off as trolls. This is about as far away from the truth as can be and it really brings certain peoples reputation into question when they cant answer straight and instead wind up their own customers. What is up with that? Surely the customer is valued here? On the issue of the ANX cards I was under the impression I would be receiving SC but I do also highly value the ability to have a Mastercard to spend them on.

Mar 8th 2015, 12:45

StartJoin Revolution

Reloop Audio, that's the best post I have read on this whole issue.

Mar 8th 2015, 12:51

John .

Reloop I totally agree with you I too am still a supporter of Maxcoin (even after taking massive losses) I am also a massive supporter of SC holding in excess of 1m coins and have backed numerous projects so the idea that 'Maxcoiners' are in it for themselves is really annoying. I main issue with SJ is communication and I include in that MM, ECG and SJ it is getting to the point where actions will speak loader then words

Mar 8th 2015, 12:58

StartJoin Revolution

SC holdings in excess of 1m coins, am I reading that right John? Would you like send me some, LOL

Mar 8th 2015, 13:04

StartJoin Revolution

Would you like a 1 of my Crypto-Cotton T-shirt by any chance, lol

Mar 8th 2015, 13:05

John .

SR yes that is correct and have a buy order in for another 200k so not all 'Maxcoiners' if any are in it for purely financial gain

Mar 8th 2015, 13:11

Christopher McGarry

Well said Reloop. Many supporters of Maxcoin are supporters of StartCoin too.

Mar 8th 2015, 14:33

Europe Crypto Group

Well guys im happy i pledged 155$ and received a 250$ plus a master card that i can load with cryptocurrency whenever i please. i thinks its fantastic plus take into consideration how much money they had to give so everybody received a 100$ , basically giving it away to draw more people, im great full for it. and know on the long run is fantastic move for a true start holder like myself :) plus im happy with the extra 100$ i received for free. thanks startjoin . sharing the love.

Mar 8th 2015, 01:52

steven rogers

Enter your message...

Mar 7th 2015, 21:35

steven rogers

Does anyone know the current status of this project now? Received cards etc, fully verified and sent pin. Anx account shows a crypto transfer of 25000 start, order fill for 250usd, and then order fill for -25000 start and card recharge for -250usd.

Mar 7th 2015, 22:22

steven rogers

I tried a withdrawl from HSBC and Santander ATMs but it was declined by the card issuer

Mar 7th 2015, 22:26

Eric Gale

I haven't received my cards yet, but I know what you mean about the account activity. I see the same thing in my ANX account. It's showing orders for recharge of 250USD for each card, followed by recharge of -250USD for each.

Mar 7th 2015, 22:54

Eric Gale

Have to wait and see what happens when my cards arrive.

Mar 7th 2015, 22:55

John .

Hi Has anyone successfully used an ATM to check their balance if so which bank the ones I have tried have always said 0

Mar 7th 2015, 18:40

John .

Ta

Mar 7th 2015, 18:49

Timothy Keiser

Hi its Maxcoin Believer, and I have had my account censored. My project for funding the Maxcoin Foundation has been closed. A lot of work has went into the Maxcoin Foundation by many of its founders and they have done nothing wrong to deserve this setback. The backers of this project have already had their donations returned. Was it because of my comments? Im sorry

Mar 7th 2015, 16:56

Joshua Cloud

This is outrageous. Cancel a project and censor the comments of a valuable SJ contributor with a high karma score simply for criticism and free speech?

Mar 7th 2015, 17:02

K M

Sorry to hear, I agree with you on most things so I hope I won't be suspended as well

Mar 7th 2015, 17:19

Dave Franklin

Not good......this should have been quickly sorted out and the issues of startcoiners resolved but now its just adding fuel to the fire.

Mar 7th 2015, 18:09

Dave Franklin

I have already lost 360k of startcoins because an exchange never changed over to start2, Now it looks like i have 250 fiat Dollars instead of 25k start.......... not a happy startcoiner....

Mar 7th 2015, 18:13

Limbaugh

I'm guessing it was excessive spamming that pushed it over the top Josh. He was also asked by members to tone it down. I dont mind criticism but spam, and toxic behavior has to be dealt with. I hope he and his unhappy contributors find another community they are happy with.

Mar 7th 2015, 21:04

K M

Show me the posts where he was asked to tone it down. And where did he actually spam? He just talked a lot here. You really are starting to piss me off being all goody two-shoed Limbaugh. If this is what this community stands for in your belief, and people like MB should be punished for saying what they have to say. Pathetic little loser you are

Mar 7th 2015, 21:12

Limbaugh

Kristof youre a shining example of my point and now you are resorting to insults. Keep up the gold digging

Mar 7th 2015, 21:35

K M

Yeah you won't be seeing me here around anymore, good luck annoying ppl

Mar 7th 2015, 21:39

Christopher McGarry

MB got very worked up but at the end of the day he was only saying what a lot of people felt. $250 for an investment is a great deal but most people thought they were getting StartCoin.

Mar 8th 2015, 00:07

Dave Franklin

I havnt seen any excessive spamming from anyone here Limbaugh, and as i have stated in my earlier post people have added fuel to the fire which i think you are now included.

Mar 8th 2015, 00:27

Dave Franklin

Maybe the original problem comes from the first line of the project ANX Debit Card loaded with 25,000 StartCOIN. Spend your StartCOIN anywhere, anytime just like a regular debit card. If it said ANX Debit Card loaded with 25,000 StartCOIN. Spend your StartCOIN anywhere, anytime just like a regular debit card. your coins will be converted to dollars as soon as you confirm details we would not be experiencing this implosion of emotion.

Mar 8th 2015, 00:37

michael mccullagh

Spot on lads. Startjoin put up cash and I'm not sure it was necessary. The coins could have come from the premined stash (as it would appear they have judging by coinmarketcap) and we could have traded them ourselves. Startjoin could have made a cash profit from the whole thing.

Mar 8th 2015, 01:13

michael mccullagh

I know 5 people who have bought these cards and not 1 of them were planning on selling an coins for below one dollar

Mar 8th 2015, 01:14

Mike Murphy

Some clarification on Maxcoin Believer's situation needs to be forthcoming. What the hell is going on here?

Mar 8th 2015, 09:28

Simon Dixon

A very good user case for this card is in obtaining cash when travelling and saving on bank FX fees.

I am going to Hong Kong in a couple of weeks and rather than using my normal debit card I transferred some Bitcoins onto my ANX card and they have been converted to HKD as I selected that option and HKD deposited to the card.

When I get to Hong Kong I will withdraw as cash. In HKD.

Not sure of fees but I believe this is a lot cheaper way of getting cash in the currency you want if you have crypto already.

Will let you know why happens when I try to withdraw HKD from ATM in Hong Kong.

If this works I will be doing this everywhere I travel that ANX card supports. Will also use to send money to family abroad and will get them a card to withdraw at the ATM.

Think of the possibilities people?

Mar 7th 2015, 16:12

K M

That's a very cute way of putting it, but in all honesty people are not travelling 365 days a year and when they do go on holiday and spend a few thousand USD for the family noone is going to care about the fees you otherwise would be paying. I'm not saying the card has no use at all. But for people like me who don't have BTC or START would have to recharge their cards when funds run dry. This is more of a hustle for most and I'm sure they'll happily pay the fees that come when withdrawing cash in another country. Again, I'm not being negative here. It's just that this is a very nice story, but it doesn't apply on everyone all the time. As for sending money to my family, I'm sure people do that, but not where I'm from in Belgium. So yet again, not valid for everyone. People want their START, not some story to make things look good.

Mar 7th 2015, 17:03

Simon Dixon

Just sharing a way I am using it in case it is useful for others. I am very interested in payments and where this can go in the future.

Mar 7th 2015, 17:09

K M

For me personally, I bought the card for the 25k START. Not having any crypto of my own (well maybe 100 START which won't buy me a whole lot) has turned the card pretty much useless for me now. I was hoping I now would have an ANX balance of 25k START and when prices would go up I'd use the card and/or would sell for BTC/fiat. I'm pretty sure most here had a similar idea. It's sad to see noone has really addressed the problem many are upset about and has come foreward with a solution. In all honesty I've seen attacks now to pledgers, users being suspended or something of that nature and some nice ways of using the card would one find him/herself in that position of being abroad. Why hasn't there been an actual formal update on this project? Why aren't we heard? I got into crypto because Max Keiser and his wife in the Keiser report really made sense to me. They were always clearly on the good side of the fight. But after this severe lack of transparency, honesty and clear communication

Mar 7th 2015, 17:11

K M

towards the community (for this project, I'm not current with other SJ projects). The only thing people want is some decent to the point answers. And I do apologize if any of this doesn't make sense to you, but I'm sure many would agree to a certain degree with me on this. Let me be clear, I don't have any beef with anyone here on SJ, I'm a real believer in SC, SJ tbh (after all this was my first and only pledge thus far) has left me with some doubt about this whole experience. And please, don't make this about me (and/or others) are being ungrateful. Like I've said in many posts now, it's just about the honesty and transparency. If you cut those 2 out, well, noone here would be better of in the long run

Mar 7th 2015, 17:16

K M

@SD Good for you. I never said there was no use for them Please share the experience afterwards (sure you were already going to but just in case)

Mar 7th 2015, 17:22

John .

Thanks

Mar 7th 2015, 12:53

Jamie Scott

The cards that have been sent out have all now been fully loaded and will be ready to go once you active them. @johnp1954 You can check your balance at and ATM just like any other card. This is a mastercard after all

Mar 7th 2015, 10:41

Stanislav Labik

Checked yesterday night and it showed 0 funds. Will check today again using a different ATM

Mar 7th 2015, 10:45

Jamie Scott

I tested the card at 2 ATMs. Able to withdraw the cash fine but one machine said that the balance was 0. Seems not all ATMs support balance checking

Mar 7th 2015, 13:37

Stanislav Labik

Possibly. I tested it again earlier today at M&S and the balance was showing 0 again. I haven't tried to withdraw any money.

Mar 7th 2015, 13:45

owen neary

Why are the cards loaded with money before they have been received in the post?

Mar 7th 2015, 09:26

K M

They aren't. They're loaded after you've sent an e-mail containing your PIN number to [email protected] Then they'll transfer the 25k START and immediately convert that into 250$

Mar 7th 2015, 11:18

Eric Gale

I haven't received my cards, but I received the load emails yesterday. They state that each card contains $250.00.

Mar 7th 2015, 11:27

K M

Wow even more unprofessional now. This really is a farce

Mar 7th 2015, 11:43

ted moyle

Anyone know what the deal is for US guys like me? No form of communication has come to my SJ inbox or to my personal email. Are we simply getting refunded the btc we paid? Or our SJ account being sent 25000 SC?

Mar 7th 2015, 08:53

Jamie Scott

Waiting for an update from ANX on this.

Mar 7th 2015, 10:39

Joshua Cloud

I've emailed them, too. I'll let you guys know if I hear back soon.

Mar 7th 2015, 15:02

ted moyle

thanks guys :)

Mar 8th 2015, 06:19

Allen Estrin

wondering the same thing.

Mar 9th 2015, 14:13

Joshua Cloud

Allen, I emailed them and received this today.

Mar 9th 2015, 15:43

Joshua Cloud

Thank you for your email.
We are processing your card order and will be shipped out later.

You will be notified when the cards send out.

Mar 9th 2015, 15:44

Joshua Cloud

There was another US fella who said he was able to spend his at certain locations and even receive cash back. So, hopefully that will be the case for us US guys.

Mar 9th 2015, 15:45

Stuart Sandford

So its now clear that the purpose of this project was to provide a reserve fund for StartJOIN, which is a wonderful thing in itself. A reserve will help StartJOIN become self sustainable as the price of StartCOIN rises, and going forward more capital means a better return on investment for everyone. But im sure there was a better way of doing this that was more open and transparent. Like a project called... Build a capital reserve for StartJOIN. But guys, this project makes it look like you have command and control motives (the communist manifesto) and you would lose compared to a company that is totally free market capitalism. you should practice what you preach.

Mar 6th 2015, 23:24

Stuart Sandford

As for the argument that the price would collapse due to the dumping of coins. I don't understand why the price of StartCoin falling due to dumping would be a problem unless you have doubts about the long term success of StartCOIN and StartJOIN. Dumping on the market wouldn't be a problem anyway if you were prepared to buy them all as you are demonstrating on Bittrex. You would still have got your StartCOIN and the people selling could have used their god given rights of free trade to get a price they deemed fair for their coins. Now we are left stranded on an exchange with low volume trying to fight over whatever scraps are thrown our way with the $25,000 we have between us all. That is the biggest kick in the balls. Don't worry about price correction. The price of everything constantly corrects, a lower price (if you let it get lower) is not bad, it allows more people to benefit in the long run.

Mar 6th 2015, 23:24

Stuart Sandford

Supply and demand dictates that if Max Keiser keeps bringing in the crowds then the future price of everything SJ related is going to be vastly higher anyway.

Mar 6th 2015, 23:24

Stuart Sandford

You really don't want to hurt your reputation and need to make things right at this stage before early adopters flee or lose interest. You also need to tighten up ship and be more professional in your communication. Yeah, i'm one to talk, but from the Maxcoin Foundation perspective I am always open and honest about what we are doing to avoid unnecessary scrutiny. You now have funding through BTTF and shareholders will expect more from this company if they are to share the vision of a $1bn company. You have many big hurdles to overcome, but with good community support and communication we can help you get there. Just believe in us as much as we believe in you.

Mar 6th 2015, 23:25

K M

Very well put MB. It's all about the transparency

Mar 6th 2015, 23:57

Limbaugh

Total BS wall of text MB. You and some others looked to exploit a poorly structured project for your own personal gain.Your grandstanding is not for the growth of StartJOIN but the growth of your wallet. This project was never intended to fatten the wallets of supporters but to add another service to the Startcoin ecosystem. Unfortunately this project turned into a cash grab for folks looking to score a handsome profit with little or no risk. And for those of you that feel you somehow have not realized the gains you deserved from this project, dont let the door hit you on the way out. You dont get it anyway.

Mar 7th 2015, 00:51

Stuart Sandford

Me and most others you mean you are getting more outnumbered by the minute.

Mar 7th 2015, 00:54

Stuart Sandford

Lets talk about personal gain and look at your second sentence. I read it as A poorly structured project looked to exploit me and some others for their own personal gain. At the end of the day someone is buying up thoes coins, be it through an exchange or a private trade. I have someone in quotes because this is either an entity (StartJOIN) or an individual who is buying those coins that should have been ours and they are damn sure taking advantage of dictating their own price. At this rate, with the misdirection and lies associated with this project I am not going to be interested in the second round of SJ fundraising on BTTF. StartJOIN is likely to be a slow gainer in the crowdfunding world or a failure if the Management does not step up and grow this business postively.

Mar 7th 2015, 00:57

Stuart Sandford

And why not fatten the wallets of the crowd of supporters Limbaugh? With more wealth and prosperity of an ecosystem comes greater investment and reinvestment. This would be better in the long run for everyone to grow this business. Quantitative Easing for the people.

Mar 7th 2015, 01:03

mangozz

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly what Max and Jamie do with the free Startcoin they give out every Friday for the pledgers of projects?

Mar 7th 2015, 01:13

K M

I think you don't get it Limbaugh. You're talking about us exploiting a poorly structured project for personal gain. 1) It CLEARLY states we ALL would be receiving START. There was NEVER any mention of our SC being converted to USD immediately. We could spend the coins ANYTIME and ANYWHERE 2) Do you really think most people here wanted to have the ANX card? No. Most people wanted the 25000 START that came with the card. We are now left with a card that some of you can use because you maybe have BTC. But I don't have any BTC or altcoins except for 100 START in my offline wallet, so I could have just bought SC with the money invested here. 3) This should all be about honesty, transparency and CLEAR COMMUNICATION. All of those which are lacking. 4) It's clear the 250$ price was dictated by SJ/SC as for the many posts here talking about this fact. So in all honesty, how would you like us to take this?

Mar 7th 2015, 11:28

K M

So sorry that I, MB and many others are feeling left out because we ALL wanted SC

Mar 7th 2015, 11:29

K M

Limbaugh:
Yep MB I was going to load up on dumps from people like you that abused the offer. Fortunately it worked out differently.

How much of a hypocrite are you anyways? We can't gain SC from this poorly constructed project but you're here preying on those who got misinformed :) You really are a man of integrity aren't you

Mar 7th 2015, 11:46

K M

And btw, talking about sharing. The project creator has a karma score of 0. So I guess we're not all that different after all lol

Mar 7th 2015, 11:49

StartJoin Revolution

StartCOIN Equity Cards, does anybody know how that works.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:06

StartJoin Revolution

Is it you are buying the StartCoin card now so you are locked in at the StartCoin price now for the shares or when StartCoin goes higher you can use it to buy more shares?

Mar 6th 2015, 22:08

StartJoin Revolution

we will reward backers with online credits, does anybody here know what that means please?

Mar 6th 2015, 22:50

Stuart Sandford

I am not sure, I was thinking the same thing. But at least we are asking the right questions for this one before it finishes.

Mar 6th 2015, 23:17

David Scully

Tbh I joined here thinking I was getting into cryptocurrency. I bought 160 quid worth of bitcoin. I paid for the card and got a mate to turn the rest into start. Now I'm cashing out as I only have 2000 start

Mar 6th 2015, 21:41

John Rossiter

The obvious failure in what should have been an incredible concept has left a very bad taste in my mouth I for one have incredible belief in start join/coin and my investment plan for the platform was one for continuous support and backing for projects and concepts which in future i will be much more reserved in my donations. I hope Jamie has taken on board everyone's views today and ensure the future projects have a more positive ending than the ANX debacle this has damaged the trust we have in start join and at such early stages in its existence neither developers or investors gain from such happenings. For what its worth I intend to withdraw my USD and reinvest in start coin albeit at a considerable shortfall in start coin from what I had first envisioned

Mar 6th 2015, 21:34

StartJoin Revolution

Does anybody else think that the idea of uploading your own StartCOIN or BitCOIN onto the card and being able to use the card with ease anywhere is an excellent feature? I personally believe that's an excellent idea.

Mar 6th 2015, 21:12

james reilly

it is a great idea but did they not say 25 k startcoin is preloaded

Mar 6th 2015, 21:19

james reilly

ah well we will have to see what the outcome is, i dont think it would be right to say one thing and then change it

Mar 6th 2015, 21:24

Stuart Sandford

Yes James, he was trying to change the topic, have some respect haha

Mar 6th 2015, 21:24

StartJoin Revolution

HAHA, I am on private message with James, he knows my position on the topic, I was just interested if people think the Crypto onto the Card to spend is excellent innovation

Mar 6th 2015, 21:30

StartJoin Revolution

MaxCoin Believer, It's like me saying about this tweet by Max that a project to be launched soon by mike murphy could hit $1 million, and what do people think of it. Which started the Mike Murphy rant when I actually meant , what do people think the $1 Million project will be?

Mar 6th 2015, 21:39

StartJoin Revolution

Anyhow, I never back this project so it's not really my business to get involved

Mar 6th 2015, 21:40

Roger

Hopefully the one lesson we learn from this is that we should take more time developing a Concept rather than launching a Project before all questions are answered. When a good idea strikes like ANX debit cards pre-loaded with SC we need give time for the Concept to evolve. The initial euphoria is influenced by FOMO and a rush to market ensues. The Project pitch becomes the agreement yet a consensus on the interpretation of the agreement has not been reached. All of the remarks, doubts, questions (below) should have already taken place. I must admit that even I participated in the project without fully knowing the terms. Who do I blame but myself if how I interpreted the Project turns out not to coincide with the project creators' or other participants' expectations?

So to Maxcoin Believer, Jamie Scott, and others I ask: Where do we, individually and collectively, go from here? (I urge you to keep Karma in mind when answering.)

Mar 6th 2015, 18:00

paul sumners

Well said Roger, I intend to carry on as I believe in Startjoin/coin and will continue to support.

Mar 6th 2015, 18:35

paul sumners

And Jamie, I certainly don't doubt the work you do or the intention behind it. But the early adopters on here are a perfect testing ground for new ideas and concepts. Things improve and when this is bigger the same issues are never experienced again. That's just solid R&D.

Mar 6th 2015, 18:38

StartJoin Revolution

Regarding my own project which I launched, Max Keiser was my biggest backer. Max, wasn't in the business of hording coins and he back me. Obviously people here want to increase their StartCoin holdings, then why not put up a project just for taking StartCoin and see how you do?

Mar 6th 2015, 20:27

mangozz

The part I don't understand is people thinking they were buying Startcoin with Startcoin.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:31

K M

@ Randy Davis Actually we bought SC with 155$ worth of BTC. :)

Mar 6th 2015, 20:35

K M

and now we have USD instead of SC

Mar 6th 2015, 20:35

StartJoin Revolution

Hey Randy just checked your profile, I see you received the T-shirt. Excellent.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:36

StartJoin Revolution

Randy I deposited just over 18 StartCoin on the T-shirt, happy spending, lol

Mar 6th 2015, 20:37

mangozz

I'm wearing it now. You mean this address on my back has Startcoin on it?...lol...that's to cool.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:40

StartJoin Revolution

Randy, I don't think the MaxCoin has been deposited onto the Crypto-bullion yet mate.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:40

K M

@SR we were promised 25k START so there should be no need for us to beg for coins we already paid for. I thought the whole idea was sharing. I pledged, I shared my money, yet I will never receive any coins. How is this rewarding to early adopters when I'm not even able to accumulate SC in the first place lol. Back to mining I guess :) Or is that also something that's against this community's policy. In all honesty I can say that 90% bought the cards in the hopes their 25k would one day be worth a small fortune. Nothing wrong with that imo

Mar 6th 2015, 20:40

mangozz

Oh, ok. I didn't pay to much attention to this project but last I knew I thought everyone was asking Max why they couldn't use Startcoin to purchase the cards. I thought at the time it was a rather unusual request. My apologies.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:43

StartJoin Revolution

Kristof Meeuwes, I never went for the ANX Card project as I didn't fully understand it. But if your planning a mining project for StartCoin, that sounds interesting.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:44

mangozz

Never invest in anything you don't understand - Warren Buffet.....sound advice.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:53

Stuart Sandford

@xiro. You said it right when you said early adopters. We are the early adopters and usually that means you are rewarded for your contribution in the early days. Avoiding bad publicity like this early on in a businesses life cycle is more valuable than 3 mil StartCOIN imo.

Mar 6th 2015, 21:00

K M

@MB It's not like we're asking something that has not been offered.

Mar 6th 2015, 21:59

K M

Although I find USD rewarding, most people here were after the SC. And right they were

Mar 6th 2015, 22:00

Stuart Sandford

Exactly, but the big slap in the face is that they conveniently declare the value of the StartCOIN to be considerably less than the fair market value on any exchange.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:39

Stuart Sandford

If the price of 25k SC was 50% less than fair market value I would not have complained, because I knew the risks of buying a card loaded with SC and having to wait for delivery.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:40

Stuart Sandford

Sorry, If the price of 25k SC was currently 50% less than today's fair market value I would not have complained, because I knew the risks of buying a card loaded with SC and having to wait for delivery. Provided the SC is on the card that is.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:42

Europe Crypto Group

never heard somebody cry a river after making 100$ profit LOL :) ill buy your anx debit for the 155$ you pledged, send me your address :)

Mar 6th 2015, 17:21

Stuart Sandford

No thanks lol. Even the BTC I pledged is worth more now. I made a trade because it was a clear winner. Turns out I cant even buy the same amount of SC that I could have bought with my pledge. So for someone like me who determines net worth in terms of BTC, SC, MAX it can now be considered a losing trade.

Mar 6th 2015, 18:09

Stuart Sandford

Just a quick vote. Who thought they were getting StartCOIN and who thought they were getting USD when they pledged?

Mar 6th 2015, 17:04

K M

START. If I was receiving USD I would not have bothered in the first place, I already have a bankcard thank you very much

Mar 6th 2015, 19:36

PR

Start.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:56

Neil Gordon

I don't think this is a terrible solution, but I do think that there should be a formal update in the Updates tab. It's good that there is some communication, but there is a bit of a lack of proper updates.
Regarding cost, it would have made sense for the necessary coins to be sourced as the pledges were made (at least ever since the target $5000 was cleared).

Mar 6th 2015, 16:31

Jamie Scott

I get what you are saying. We didn't plan this or want to have to stabilise a market with our companies capital but it's the best solution in the interim. ANX should have brought some liquidity to the table. Seems that it wasn't possible in the short amount of time. Going forward I'm sure the liquidity will increase in ANX. If we didn't step in then people wouldn't have been happy either. A card that wasn't usable. The only people moaning are the quick win, dump, maxcoin fans. This is a huge leap forward for our business and people should be happy that they made money by being a early adopter of this card. I know that the people who believe in StartCOIN and StartJOIN are.

Mar 6th 2015, 16:46

Christopher McGarry

Jamie - Thanks for the update on this. You seem to have made the best out of a bad situation. At the end of the day people would be more pi$$ed off if the project was cancelled or there was a delay in getting the catds

Mar 6th 2015, 16:52

Stuart Sandford

The only people moaning are the quick win, dump, maxcoin fans. I already said I wasnt going to dump. StartJoin money is going to stabelise the market. So you are also getting them at a price which is below market value. Can I get in on that deal. Didnt think so. Why is is exclusive to SJ and their employees to steal coins that were promised to everyone. You really are backed into a corner here and thats why you need to go on the defensive because you realise you are WRONG and its too late to go back and admit you have failed to pull off a theft. Im getting accused of going for a quick win for getting 3 cards, for greed. SJ and its employees are now privilaged enough to take over 100 cards worth of SC. BOOOOOOOO

Mar 6th 2015, 17:01

Jamie Scott

Lol. Maxcoin Believer you clearly don't understand what StartJOIN is about do you. Its about giving not receiving. These coins will be given away like the rest of them... Why not go back to believing in maxcoin

Mar 6th 2015, 17:04

Christopher McGarry

MB - I have to agree with you on this one. I actually got four cards with the hope of increasing my Startcoin balance by 100,000. My plan was not to dump these straight on the open market to make a quick buck. I believe in Startcoin and StartJoin (I have invested in the BFF equity project). I'm in it for the long term

Mar 6th 2015, 17:06

Stuart Sandford

Am I getting to you. I think I am because the personal attacks are beginning. How about you go and get daddy Keiser to sort out this mess for you.

Mar 6th 2015, 17:07

Stuart Sandford

So am I Christopher. But Jamie thinks everyone is here to dump his coins. Or rather, he wants you to believe that is what is happening so he can take your coins at rock bottom price.

Mar 6th 2015, 17:08

Stuart Sandford

Jamie, you are one to talk about giving and not receiving. You are taking what people pledged for without giving the option to the people of whether they want the money or the SC.

Mar 6th 2015, 17:09

Stuart Sandford

Any wonder Im a troll. You need to sort yourself out Its just that no one else has the balls to say anything.

Mar 6th 2015, 17:12

Joshua Cloud

I too thought I was getting SC. Many people did. The allegation that we want to dump SC is looking like a red herring since its been repeatedly rebutted. I too want to hold more SC, not dump it. Im a SC fan and a SJ fan. I bought SJ equity. Maxcoin Believer was number 1 on karma rewards a couple weeks ago. To label as a troll someone who obviously supports this platform is unprofessional, Jamie.

Mar 6th 2015, 17:23

Jamie Scott

True Josh. I let it get the better of me. Sorry MB.

Mar 6th 2015, 17:25

Jamie Scott

I stepped in to try and explain what was going on over at ANX, to help people. I'm not about hostilities.. Just been a long day of repeating myself. Please go and read the project and the ANX terms and all should be explained...

Mar 6th 2015, 17:30

Christopher McGarry

Good points Josh. At the end of the day we all believe in Startcoin & Startjoin

Mar 6th 2015, 17:47

Stuart Sandford

No problem Jamie. Its just that you have to admit, most peoples interpretation of 25,000 SC loaded on an ANX card means 25,000 loaded on an ANX card. If you are worried about me dumping SC then you dont have to. I just wanted to increase my holdings of SC. Im not just a Maxcoin Believer, I'm a StartJOIN/COIN believer too.

Mar 6th 2015, 18:06

K M

I too wanted to hold on to my SC, not the useless USD. It is clearly stated on the SJ ANX project page that: ANX Debit Card loaded with 25,000 StartCOIN. Spend your StartCOIN anywhere, anytime just like a regular debit card. So the SJ site has the info all wrong. As for ANX, they would exchange your coins when making a purchase. Nowhere any mention the SC will be IMMEDIATELY converted into USD. Their site even states you can load your cards with BTC (SC is the same I would assume). So giving us money instead of SC was just not the deal. Period

Mar 6th 2015, 19:45

Stuart Sandford

Yeah and at the rate of 1 cent per coin. So were also letting the coins go below market value. You cant even buy back in. And if we all do try to buy back in we push the price up. This is a lose, lose scenario.

Mar 6th 2015, 19:59

Limbaugh

It is if you didn't back the project for the use of the card. Which by the way was the purpose of the project. And in that regard, it was a success.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:13

owen neary

In fairness to Anne, she did distance herself from the SilverPool because she said this was exactly what was going to happen. The 25000 start were free to give away. Why buy them back?

Mar 6th 2015, 15:31

Aaron Welton

I am very happy with the ANX project and the way the funds have been handled. i have made a profit by taking this Flashfund with the 25k startcoins added to the card.

This project was not for people to make easy money, I have profited from taking this flashfund and also i can now load BTC and Start to a debit card that is the real deal

The ANX debit card facility will make Startcoin a major player in the future and i will be buying up more StartCOIN to hold as the 25k got loaded to my card for me to spend as i wish with my new debit card.

The price they have agreed to exchange startcoins for is not that low if they dumped the coins on the market it would do more damage and we would of ended up less.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:29

Stuart Sandford

Who is to say anyone would dump. Were all here because we support SJ and SC. I wasnt going to dump. Anyway dont make excuses. Price discovery is price discovery, they cant do what the fed does and manage an economy because of fear of a market crash.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:48

K M

Again MB I'm with you here. Who is saying we would dump? If we would dump it wouldn't be for 250$ for starters. Most people would just hold on to their 25000 START. The information provided was misleading to say the least. A misdead, mistrust, a mishap like Gerald Celente would say it. Plz just admit you were never going to give us the coint and the nice 25k free coins got everyone hook, line and sinker

Mar 6th 2015, 19:48

mangozz

When these cards first came out I had stated, that people like myself who have several credit and debit cards would really not benefit from them. People with no banking access would benefit the most, being the Startcoin would be turned into fiat. I'm really shocked how many people thought they were actually going to receive Startcoin on them cards.

Mar 6th 2015, 20:03

K M

Because the main project page clearly says so? I wonder why people took this bait. I really wonder

Mar 6th 2015, 20:08

K M

NOT

Mar 6th 2015, 20:09

Jamie Scott

Just to clear some things up. The way the cards work is you load the cards with StartCOIN. This is then converted to USD via ANX or the ANX market. As there is no liquidity in the ANX market we (StartJOIN) have been left with the process of buying these coins back. Therefore it is costing the company $100 per each card. In the future loads will take place and will be done though the liquidity in ANX. This is the best solution otherwise we would be left with people not being able to use their cards, because they can't convert to dollars or worse still the price of StartCOIN would crash due to the extra 3 million coins entering the market. This way everyone comes away a winner accept StartJOIN that is fitting the bill for this deal.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:21

Stuart Sandford

And except for the poor soul who gets to buy up 3 million coins at a price they like. Why sell them at all when the people clearly want the SC. They dont want USD and you are going to considerable lengths to take away what people want. Shame on you Jamie

Mar 6th 2015, 15:24

Stuart Sandford

Im surprised you havent launched a derivative yet Jamie (Dimon)

Mar 6th 2015, 15:28

Stanislav Labik

Makes me wonder why was the reward set to 25K SC in the first place. When there isn't the liquidity on the exchange for them to be able to deal with it. If you were worried about 3mil coins entering the market and potentially crashing the price, then why did you set the reward to 25K SC ? 8-)

Mar 6th 2015, 15:31

Jamie Scott

Not sure you noticed but our business is about giving coins away for free. We aren't in the business of selling coins... Think you should stick to maxcoin and go find a community is into that IMO

Mar 6th 2015, 15:32

Stuart Sandford

You are selling them though right. I forwarded you the email Jamie. Read it yourself. Maybe you should learn to take a joke and listen to your own community instead of stiffing them and dictating the terms of this microeconomy.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:38

paul sumners

Jamie, we haven't received 25000 startcoins, we have received $250. I would rather have the startcoin. This is where all the confusion lies. If on the pledge page you had explicitly detailed the exchange rate you had negotiated then there would be no problem I think.

Mar 6th 2015, 16:15

Stuart Sandford

Jamie, in response to your original post in this particular thread. You say each card is costing them $100. The following is a snippet from the ANX email that I forwarded to you. ANX will be loading the cards as the funds are received from StartJoin. ANX has not, and will not receive any Startcoin or pledged funds. other than approximately $30 USD to cover the costs of the card and shipping.

Mar 6th 2015, 18:43

Stuart Sandford

I got an email from ANX stating that they are not getting StartCOIN to sell on the market. They are getting USD directly from StartJOIN. Insiders are filling their pockets on Bittrex Surely StartJOIN needs to realise how this can hurt their reputation.

Mar 6th 2015, 14:54

Stuart Sandford

Huge volume candles with hardly any price movement. Transfer of wealth at a price they like

Mar 6th 2015, 14:55

michael mccullagh

Maybe it's best to use the money on the cards and then just send them back. This is turning into a farce.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:02

Stuart Sandford

Quote from ANX Email. StartJoin retains the pledged funds and will immediately loading each card with 25,000 START, converted to USD at an exchange rate dictated by StartJoin

Mar 6th 2015, 15:03

Stuart Sandford

They didnt say dictated by ANX. They say dictated by SJ. So the ball is in their court and they can pick the price they want.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:04

Stuart Sandford

Its actually more effort for SJ to send SC to trex, sell it for BTC, send those funds to ANX and then load the cards with USD. Wonder why someone would do this when they could just topup our SJ accounts. Seems like wasted effort... or... maybe there is profit to be made.. duh.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:06

Christopher McGarry

Michael - As Paul Sumners said below: if i use this card to buy Startcoin on bittylicious, i would be lucky to get 10000 coins

Mar 6th 2015, 15:06

Christopher McGarry

MB - Reading the posts of others, it would seem that the exchange would be done on the ANX side not StartJoin side. Who then sets the price?

Mar 6th 2015, 15:14

Stuart Sandford

Good question. Cui bono. Who stands to gain.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:16

Mike Murphy

Well, it seems to me that the market price of startcoin should adjust downwards to reflect the price that StartJOIN are prepared to pay ANX. Why would we pay more on the market that SJ are prepared to pay for their own coins?

Mar 8th 2015, 10:19

paul sumners

So I have received my startcoin. TO use the debit card on bittylicious means I would get less than 10000 startcoin and that is less than pledged to get the card. What a disaster.

Mar 6th 2015, 13:38

Stuart Sandford

Exactly. SJ needs to get this sorted out. Keiser wants this to be a billion dollar enterprise. Then get your act together and stop selling out SC.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:08

Jamie Scott

Please can people read the project 'The reward will be preloaded with 25,000 StartCOIN, ready to spend.' It clearly states that you will be getting cards preloaded.

Mar 6th 2015, 11:32

Joshua Cloud

But the point is, Limbaugh, even you were confused by the language on the project. You thought ppl were getting SC. That's the issue. The issue is not whether ppl received a USD net win. They did. The question is whether the language in the project was confusing or legerdemain.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:07

Stuart Sandford

@limbaugh who is to say I was going to dump. Huh. Like I said before im 20 for 20 so far. Only time I will trade with you is when you are on the losing end of a trade. And you say fortunately it worked out differently. Why fortunately. Sure, now you dont get to buy my dumped coins. Unfortunately maybe.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:15

Limbaugh

Hey Josh the project was indeed ambiguous but we are treading new ground here and there is bound to be mistakes. But from an old timer alt supporter a debit card that can be charged with Startcoin is freaking great. And in the end that's what it is about. Not MB - master trader- hording more Startcoin. ha

Mar 6th 2015, 15:27

Joshua Cloud

I agree, Limbaugh. A crypto loadable debit card is awesome. Although, I'm still confused about how to proceed as an American who apparently can't use the card. I haven't received an email or the card, and I've emailed ANX. The US exclusion also should have been more clear on the project, IMO. I paid 1.4 BTC for two cards that I can't use, if I understand correctly. Any other US pledgers have and advice?

Mar 6th 2015, 15:33

Jamie Scott

Josh. I'm not sure why americans can't use them and ANX never advised us about this. When you get and answer back please let us know

Mar 6th 2015, 15:35

Limbaugh

Josh I sent an email to support on this issue and have yet to hear back. Unless they plan to change to ToS I am guessing we will just get our pledge back.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:37

Stew

I am American and have used the card at a grocery store where I was offered cash back with my transaction. I also used the card at my neighborhood bar. I have not had luck at gas stations or amazon.com. It can be used where unionpay is accepted.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:38

Stew

amazon says the accept unionpay credit cards but not debit cards

Mar 6th 2015, 15:42

K M

@Limbaugh What's the use of a card loaded with START if you can't hoard more coins. I will have to rechare my card everytime it runs dry (because I can't be collecting coins like you said) so that basically leaves me with an overpriced bankcard I probably will never use. The information given was just misleading. And people clearly don't have the courage nor the balls to admit to their mistakes. That's often what criminals do :) I don't have 1 good word to say about this whole SJ/SC farce. I we aren't in for the hoarding and the cashing out then who is? Supporters of the SJ community. You people do reallize that if SC ever becomes a competitor this aspect will be reduced to 0. As it is clearly headed in that direction already. The first project I pledge, complete farce. If I'm not getting my coins you can bet your damndest I will do everything in my power to advise people not to invest/pledge anymore. Really, you're as bad as the ponzi scheme masters of the government. Not a hair bette

Mar 6th 2015, 20:01

Limbaugh

Kristof be sure to warn people that you put down $155 and got $250 back, I am sure they will understand your rage.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:01

Stuart Sandford

Your argument is rendered invalid by the fact that you are now practically the only one who is maintaining this view :)

Mar 6th 2015, 22:36

Limbaugh

Facts are invalid to you, I know that.

Mar 6th 2015, 22:48

james reilly

preloaded with coins mean preloaded with crypto coins not usd

Mar 6th 2015, 22:54

K M

Oh well, we have 2 camps here. 1) The people that just want to use the quick earned cash and are now enjoying their cards until their funds run out and they have to recharge their card. Which imo is very inconvenient. And 2) The people that wanted to hold on to the promised 25k START. It's like buying a porsche but receiving a peugeot and the excuse is they're both cars so it's all just fine. Well people in category 2 have all the right to rage if that's what I'm doing. I'll defend my standpoint until everyone realizes that it has nothing to do about the money or START for that matter. It has everything to do with transparency, honesty and actually rewarding those who invested in this project.

Mar 6th 2015, 23:04

K M

They give out free START every week, for early adopters and pledgers. Well I have a newsflash, we all pledges and although we all paid 155$ for the cards none of us received ANY coins for our contribution. Btw, I clearly stated I wasn't ungrateful. It's all about the principle

Mar 6th 2015, 23:05

K M

@James Reilly Heck yeah

Mar 6th 2015, 23:08

james reilly

i thought the dollar was on the way out i dont want dollar i want startcoin we love sc

Mar 6th 2015, 23:11

K M

Hahaha that was my initial thought as well :D

Mar 6th 2015, 23:13

Allen Estrin

Still have yet to receive the card.

Mar 9th 2015, 14:26

Simon Dixon

What about a project to raise funds to cover the development cost for ANX to allow StartCOIN deposits?

Mar 6th 2015, 10:13

Simon Dixon

It seems next week they will allow START deposits.

Mar 6th 2015, 10:26

Stanislav Labik

I'm interested to see whether they will be using actual or suggested exchange rate.

Mar 6th 2015, 10:44

Stew

I would contribute

Mar 6th 2015, 22:02

StartJoin Revolution

The ease of being able to use your BitCoin/StartCoin in a load of locations

Mar 6th 2015, 10:09

StartJoin Revolution

This project is still an excellent deal for those involved

Mar 6th 2015, 10:07

paul sumners

No it is not. Go and check how many startcoin you get on Bittylicious.

Mar 6th 2015, 13:43

paul sumners

ANX have just confirmed that the exchange rate was agreed between ANX and startjoin. I agree with Simon that most of us made a profit and I will be buying more startcoin today.

Mar 6th 2015, 08:38

Stanislav Labik

Are you going to use the ANX card to pay for them? I have just tried this and couldn't find such option on the website.

Mar 6th 2015, 08:59

Simon Dixon

Just to understand this I sent some BTC to my ANX card just now from my mobile App. Here is now it works. You select a fiat currency (I selected HKD as I am going to Hong Kong next week and wanted to use the card there). You then pay Crypto to the card and as soon as they receive the Crypto it is converted to the fiat selected then sent to the pre-paid debit card locking in the exchange rate at that moment in time rather than at point of sale. (See confirmation email image below). So the way to use ANX is to buy / sell / store crypto with them and transfer fiat to the card for purchases on the card. The moment you transfer crypto to the debit card it is converted to fiat so you only do it when you are happy with the exchange rate. If you want to leave it as crypto and speculate on price you need to store it in your own wallet or with their vault or SJ in the case of SC IMG

Mar 6th 2015, 08:04

Simon Dixon

So how this relates to this project - you pledged and received a card with 25k StartCOIN worth of USD and how much USD you receive depends on the exchange rate at the point of ANX crediting your card. I think this could have been done in two ways. One - you get a free debit card and 25k SC stored with ANX vault for you pledge or Two - you get a pre pair debit card with 25k SC worth of USD loaded on the card ready to spend. It seems the second option was chosen which was not every bodies understanding but to look at the bright side, you can now all exchange your USD for potentially more START than you pledged and the buying pressure may push up the price of START. Very speculative I know and confusing, but I think everybody is probably up overall and we have all learnt something new about this great innovation.

Mar 6th 2015, 08:14

paul sumners

There is still no option I can see on their website for depositing startcoin, only bitcoin or fiat.

Mar 6th 2015, 08:42

Simon Dixon

Here is what happens when ANX received the crypto deposit from me IMG

Mar 6th 2015, 08:44

Simon Dixon

Maybe we need to all request SC deposits with ANX and see if they are able to support us. That would be great.

Mar 6th 2015, 08:46

Simon Dixon

This is what happens when I try to deposit start to ANX. There is no wallet generation tool yet. I will be meeting them when I go to Hong Kong so let me know if you would like a feature request and I will mention it. I think STATT deposits would make this work really well but maybe that requires more liquidity in START ANX exchange. IMG

Mar 6th 2015, 08:50

Simon Dixon

I guess the more we use it and the more requests we get, the more likely they will support it.

Mar 6th 2015, 08:52

Stuart Sandford

I agree with your analysis Simon. I also like the thought of having the option of having the 25k StartCOIN too. The tools are there and the people are involved than can make this happen, (Jamie, Max etc.). The StartCOIN could have been placed in our StartJOIN accounts and we get a card that we have the ability to transfer the StartCOIN to. I don't want my Crypto submitted to the ANX exchange at the discretion of someone else.

Mar 6th 2015, 09:10

Jamie Scott

Hi Simon. This is a bug that will be fixed next week with anx. My mobile wallet is working fine

Mar 6th 2015, 10:17

K M

Hey Simon I've got a question for you as you seem to know your stuff. I Quote: If you want to leave it as crypto and speculate on price you need to store it in your own wallet. I have the offline SC 2.0 wallet, now, which steps should I take to get those 25k SC to my wallet? (I've received my ANX card, I'm verified and I've just e-mailed ANX my PIN)

Mar 6th 2015, 12:27

Simon Dixon

I think the only way Is to buy BTC with your USD on ANX then buy START with your BTC either through ANX in the first place or BITTREX and then deposit them to your START wallet. Remember this is new innovation and eventually things will become simple and a few clicks, but not there yet. Anybody else have a better idea?

Mar 6th 2015, 12:57

K M

That isn't simple indeed. My idea is, give us the ability (for those who want) to receive/transfer their 25k SC into ANX's vault and then my offline wallet. This project started out as a garden of Eden, but the usual human interference and inability for transparency from the beginning has changed it to a wasteland. I don't get that we aren't receiving SC as promised. This is, well, to be expected I guess :)

Mar 6th 2015, 13:03

Europe Crypto Group

to be guided by greed, look at the bigger picture of this movement.

plus you have already made profit.
i guess you can't make everybody happy, no matter how good the deal is.

im happy to give you your 155$ back for you 250$ debit card @MaxcoinBeliever, :)

Mar 5th 2015, 22:31

Stuart Sandford

How about you give me the 20,000 sc I could have bought with my 0.7 BTC. That's 3 cards 60,000 sc please. What would I do with $150.

Mar 5th 2015, 22:36

Limbaugh

The sad thing is this is most likely the best trade the complainers will make all year. Yet they still feel they are still owed more.

Mar 5th 2015, 23:03

Stuart Sandford

I'm 20 for 20 on my trades this year, but thanks for your concern :)

Mar 5th 2015, 23:06

Robbie weldon

Worth remembering that the startcoins are free to give away also. Lots of the comments are missing from this project. The ones where people asked for this to be explained to them in detail.

Mar 6th 2015, 02:38

Stuart Sandford

StartCOIN will be immediately converted to USD. Immediately converted when. Cui bono. Insiders can trade this beautifully to take maximum profit. Not to mention double fees for those of us who want to buy back in. The site promotes the use of StartCOIN but yet gives you USD related to the market price of StartCOIN by selling pledgers coins at a time most convenient for those who can have their orders ready on the ANX order book. I find it most convenient for the project owners that this discussion is only happening after the fact.

Mar 5th 2015, 22:23

StartJoin Revolution

As I see it, and Jamie and Max can correct me if I am wrong, you get a Card which is loaded with 25000 StartCoin and when you go to spend it is converted to USD. It all depends on you, when you want to spend it, I think you have 2 years within to spend. So lets say StartCoin goes to $1 dollar you have $25000 to spend. The whole point of the card is how easy it is to use the card when you are out and about.

Mar 5th 2015, 23:24

Adam Biros

No my card was funded with 25,000 START which got converted into 250 USD today. If START goes up now, I still have 250 USD to spend.

Mar 5th 2015, 23:27

StartJoin Revolution

Hi Adam, right I am out of my depth, not 100% sure about this project

Mar 5th 2015, 23:30

Stuart Sandford

Yes, that was my understanding, kind of. I also expected the ability to transfer the StartCOIN here to get interest payments and pledge, but if that's not possible then that's ok too. But some comments below did say that you get 25,000 sc that's immediately converted to USD which is currently $250, they didn't say immediately converted to USD for POS transactions over the space of 2 years. Which is the opposite of immediate.

Mar 5th 2015, 23:34

Christopher McGarry

Think people will need to wait and see when their cards become active :)

Mar 5th 2015, 23:40

Stuart Sandford

Ok, my original rant still makes sense then. If we want StartCOIN then why are we forced to sell for USD. Can someone please answer this, because I don't want to sell at whatever price ANX quotes. It's a reasonable request.

Mar 5th 2015, 23:42

Dave Franklin

Agreed MB... i would rather have the 25k in my startjoin account so i can pledge to more projects...

Mar 5th 2015, 23:47

StartJoin Revolution

Would like to apologize to Maxcoin believer. I am unable to answer your question. I'm more confused about this project than ever before. I think I'll stick to the less technical projects in future, lol

Mar 5th 2015, 23:47

Stuart Sandford

It's OK SR. No need to apologise. This jus proves how confusing this all is. I was pledging for 25k StartCOIN, not for a random amount of USD from an exchange with no REAL volume.

Mar 5th 2015, 23:51

Joshua Cloud

same here. i pledged twice becausei wantef 25 sc to buy some sc silver and stuff.

Mar 5th 2015, 23:52

Joshua Cloud

Sorry. 50k SC. mobile typing sucks

Mar 5th 2015, 23:53

Stuart Sandford

Seems like most people are now agreeing and want their 25k sc. I hope Jamie or Max can help us understand what's happening.

Mar 6th 2015, 00:00

G M

I think it is an awesome deal and was really looking foward to it..too bad US users cant benefit. Should we expect to get our SC back?

Mar 6th 2015, 06:41

Stanislav Labik

Interestingly enough, it was SJ to dictate the exchange rate based on which ANX funded the cards. This is what ANX have just confirmed to me on an email. We all have still made a good profit of course, except for those based in the US, sadly.

Mar 6th 2015, 08:25

Stuart Sandford

Why are my comments being deleted? All relative points I made. We now have censorship as well as a command control economy.

Mar 6th 2015, 09:18

Jamie Scott

Once there is enough volume in the ANX exchange the market will determine the price. Atm there isn't enough buyers to support the sale of 3 million StartCOIN.

Mar 6th 2015, 11:29

Stuart Sandford

Great, so just dump my StartCOINS in my StartJOIN account please. What difference does it make to you if they are sold on ANX or not.

Mar 6th 2015, 12:31

K M

I was also under the impression that I would recieve a card with 25k SC... What's the point of investing 155$ worth of BTC (0.7) to get a pre-loaded 25k SC card only to have 250$ in the end?? I want to be able to get my 25k SC from my ANX card (which was clearly stated) into my offline wallet so I myself can decide when to trade. I'm sure many will use the card, but I would really REALLY like my SC instead.

Mar 6th 2015, 12:37

K M

This is the first thing you read on the ANX Debit Card project page here on SJ: ANX Debit Card loaded with 25,000 StartCOIN. Spend your StartCOIN anywhere, anytime just like a regular debit card. So, yeah, I really want SC :)

Mar 6th 2015, 12:38

Jamie Scott

We are currently sending StartCOIN's to ANX card holders to charge up their cards over the next few days. This will happen automatically and you will receive an email from ANX once money has hit your card.

Mar 5th 2015, 20:37

John .

3) Can you change the Pin at an ATM

Mar 5th 2015, 18:56

John .

Can anyone help with the following, I have received my card and pin,have activated it, have a fully verified account with ANX and the card shows up on the Site. How can I..

Mar 5th 2015, 18:55

Stew

I used my card at Albertson's grocery store in Dallas the other day with no problem. It doesn't work everywhere obviously. I can't get verified on the ANX site either. Unfortunately American citizens pose a liability many times to ventures outside of their government's legacy box. The future is bright, this is progress.

Mar 5th 2015, 18:03

P. Projects1

Awesome man. So promising

Mar 5th 2015, 18:04

Stew

apparently the card works at the bar down the street too... bottoms up

Mar 5th 2015, 23:09

Stew

no luck at the gas station, or amazon. It see,s amazon accepts union pay credit cards only from what I understand.

Mar 6th 2015, 15:11

Jamie Scott

With regards to the american users having to verify themselves. I'm pretty sure that this is todo with american laws and not ANX. I guess you could read their terms or ask them if you are having problems.

Mar 5th 2015, 16:30

Jamie Scott

Like the project says. The card comes preloaded with 25000 START. So atm we are receiving $250 and a free StartCOIN debit card for $155. Sounds like a good deal to me.
As the ANX exchange gains traction and gets more liquidity then recharging would be done through the coins in the market, rather than relying on one buyer to support the sale of the initial 3 million coins loaded. It's not very often that you get 100 dollars for nothing. I'm sure most people will agree that this is a great start to a system and market that is set to continue to grow.

Mar 5th 2015, 16:27

Europe Crypto Group

everybody who purchased the anx card for 155$ gets 250$ in credit plus a free master card for crypto i thinks thats a fantastic start that you won't even get from ur biggest corporations. but yet on startjoin you do :)

Mar 5th 2015, 17:25

Stacy Herbert

Indeed, @icrypto I reckon we are observing the problem with human nature which leads to the failure of democracies whereby people get to vote over and over for more and more 'free' stuff . . . and once you give them one great deal they want more and more and more and more. Til eventually the central banks' balance sheets are hundreds of trillions of unpayable dollars.

Mar 5th 2015, 17:39

Joshua Cloud

It's a great deal. Can't complain with free money. I think the only issue now is for the US pledgers who aren't sure how they'll be able to redeem the SC, or how they'll get a refund for pledging to a project they didn't know excluded them.

Mar 5th 2015, 17:47

Stuart Sandford

I'm confused. Are we getting 25,000 StartCOIN or $250.

Mar 5th 2015, 20:23

Jamie Scott

You are receiving a card with 25,000 startcoin preloaded which is immediately converted to USD via the ANX exchange.

Mar 5th 2015, 20:28

Stanislav Labik

I would like to take a moment and apologize all of those involved in this project for my earlier comments mentioning how much of free money we should be getting, and which we are not. My expectations were obviously too high and all the excitement about the project had turned into a greed. Did not mean to spread any FUD. Thank you for your understanding.

Mar 5th 2015, 20:43

Stuart Sandford

That was never explained. It's obvious the people want the StartCOIN and not the USD equivalent (whatever ANX determines that to be, at their discretion). I wouldn't have pledged if that was explained. I could have took my 0.7 BTC and bought more than 20,000 StartCOIN, God knows how much $250 will buy, 15k StartCOIN, maybe.

Mar 5th 2015, 20:44

owen neary

It was explaining. I was very clear in asking if we received a fiat amount or a SC amount and Jamie explained that we would be getting SC. The comments are no longer here unfortunately/conveniently

Mar 6th 2015, 02:45

K M

Whatever people may think I believe this speaks for itself (on the front page for this project on SJ): ANX Debit Card loaded with 25,000 StartCOIN. Spend your StartCOIN anywhere, anytime just like a regular debit card. Never was I personally informed that I would not be receiving SC....Which is the whole point right? I'm not ungrateful I'm receiving USD, but the whole point of crypto is NOT to have fiat imo. So I don't understand why this HAS to be converted immediately instead of just giving us the option to do with our 25k SC as we see fit. I don't see any logic in this

Mar 6th 2015, 12:46

Start COIN

Be sure to first verify your details at ANX https://anxpro.com. We will then be able to begin loading your cards with StartCOIN

Mar 5th 2015, 11:57

Stanislav Labik

Apparently not, according to the confirmation email I have just received they will be converted to USD and loaded onto the card. What I can't seem to find is the option to buy SC using the just loaded USD.

Mar 5th 2015, 13:31

Eric Gale

Interesting... I bought two cards and I was wondering how I should proceed, either with getting my gf to verify an account, or if I would have both cards associated with my name.

Here is the reply.

FEB 26, 2015 | 06:43PM HKT
Patrick replied:

Hi Eric,

Exactly. Please let me know if you need further assistance
Cheers

Patrick
Customer Support Team

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FEB 24, 2015 | 07:41PM HKT
Eric replied:

Hey Patrick,

Thanks for the reply.

So, each card of the StartJoin campaign is associated with 25,000 StartCOIN that will be placed in the ANX account, correct?

If both cards are associated to my account, then I will have a total of 50,000 StartCOIN in it.

I guess that's OK.

She lives at my verified address.

Thanks,
Eric

Mar 5th 2015, 13:38

Eric Gale

That's what I was told, and that's what I expect to receive.

Mar 5th 2015, 13:39

Stanislav Labik

I would have preferred the above to be the case, but take a look at the confirmation email : 5000.00000000 START was received on your topup address. Once confirmed this will be converted into USD which will be credited to your card named:........

Mar 5th 2015, 13:40

Stanislav Labik

Followed by: 25000.00000000 START was received and converted to 250.00 USD. This amount will be credited to your card named: ANX StartCoin USD 1. The loading will be processed on the same day or 1 working day depending on the timezone of the customer to complete. There may be some limited instances when loading may take 2 working days but we try our hardest to ensure such occurances are limited. All card load completions are confirmed by email.

Mar 5th 2015, 13:41

Eric Gale

Well, I am guessing that I was given incorrect information.

Mar 5th 2015, 13:43

Stanislav Labik

The exchange rate we get isn't 'great' either. We get 250USD for 25000coins, which only buy back just over 19K coins... I have mixed feelings about this. Happy, yet a bit disappointed.

Mar 5th 2015, 14:04

Eric Gale

Well, like some of the other listed projects, the details presented were not very clear.

Keep that in mind when you decide to pledge again.

Mar 5th 2015, 14:06

Stanislav Labik

I wouldn't have though they would use 0.00004 as the exchange rate when the current price has been significantly above the 0.00005 mark. This is what makes me feel disappointed. As I said earlier though, I do realize we got our more than what we put in and I should be happy with that. Shame it couldn't be flawless

Mar 5th 2015, 14:18

Stanislav Labik

Correction: it would have been 0.00004 had the price of 1BTC been 250USD, which it isn't. Sorry I'll stop keeping on now and try and focus on all the positives this has to offer.

Mar 5th 2015, 14:23

paul sumners

For me I will pledge on here again because it is a great deal but I won't recharge my current card at those rates. I have asked Patrick at ANX for clarification of exchange rates. I can understand them giving slightly lower rates but $250 for 25000 start is basically stealing money.

Mar 5th 2015, 14:28

Stanislav Labik

The recharge happens automatically, I don't think we have much control over this. Otherwise I would not have ventilated my feelings here, and simply waited for a better exchange rate instead.

Mar 5th 2015, 14:35

Joshua Cloud

And what about the US pledgers who can't use the debit cards? Seems like they don't get redeemable SC at all?

Mar 5th 2015, 14:41

G M

Same questions as Josh

Mar 5th 2015, 15:06

Stanislav Labik

Given the current exchange rate we should be getting at the very least 300USD and that already includes a very generous commission for ANX, providing we actually do want to convert the coins into USD at this precise moment, which I personally do NOT.

Mar 5th 2015, 15:16

Limbaugh

It seems ironic that the card is USD but the US backers are unable to register for one.

Mar 5th 2015, 15:51

Joshua Cloud

Indeed, Limbaugh. Did any US pledgers receive an email or card? I've received neither.

Mar 5th 2015, 16:03

K M

The answer Mr Gale received says it all. If they don't know (or just lie in your face) how are we supposed to know? AFTER pledging and receiving the cards this info starts trickling in. Like I've said in other posts here on SJ, I would very much like my StartCOIN

Mar 6th 2015, 12:52

Aaron Welton

Patrick has responded to me in a very quick and efficient manor too, i now have the recharge tab showing on my ANX account :)

Mar 4th 2015, 13:09

Europe Crypto Group

same here, patrick was very nice, and im very happy with the ANX results. this is epic being able to load cards with cryptocurrency.

Mar 4th 2015, 13:05

paul sumners

Card received today. Have emailed my pin to activate card. Will update with next step when it happens.

Mar 3rd 2015, 22:02

paul sumners

Card is now activated but it hasn't come pre loaded. Have emailed ANX to ask about the 25000 startcoin.

Mar 4th 2015, 08:18

paul sumners

All ok apparently, card will soon appear on their site and will have the startcoin loaded soon after that. :-).

Mar 4th 2015, 09:12

Aaron Welton

I also received an email saying my card was activated but there is no option to recharge yet from my account

Mar 4th 2015, 09:26

Neil Gordon

I have also received my card today. I was rather disappointed by the poor security practices which I observed.

Mar 4th 2015, 12:55

Neil Gordon

1) The card and the pin slip were in the same envelope. 2) The instructions are to e-mail the pin to them - e-mail is not a secure means of communication and I have NEVER heard of this practice. 3) The pin slip not only contained the pin, but the full card number and expiry date were also printed on it. I will be attempting to phone in and ask about these matters once when their office is open. I hope that this is the end of the unprofessional conduct we see from ANX.

Mar 4th 2015, 12:57

Dimitri Dhuyvetter

I have asked them for their PGP key so at least the e-mail I sent them with my PIN was encrypted. But the fact that card and pin were sent together also bothered me, even though it was via registered mail (so I had to sign to get it) and the card was only activated after sending the PIN. Still, a lot of room for improvement.

Mar 5th 2015, 07:37

John .

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Mar 3rd 2015, 19:33

Simon Dixon

Thats cool. Well done on uploading your first image too John -)

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:39

Eric Gale

No card today, but I received my account verification code from ANX in the mail.

Mar 3rd 2015, 21:54

Jostein Johansen

Card looks good. I got an email that mine is on the way now.

Mar 4th 2015, 09:35

John .

http://imgur.com/3E9mmBX

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:31

Eric Gale

Interesting. Not what I was expecting either, but at least it runs on the MasterCard network. It should be accepted throughout much of the world.

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:33

Joshua Cloud

Thanks for posting, John.

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:34

John .

Would upload a photo if I knew how

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:03

Joshua Cloud

You have to upload it to a public file sharing server like Google Drive or Imgur, then post the URL. Glad everyone is getting their cards. I'm still awaiting my email saying it's on the way.

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:12

John .

Got my Card today looks nothing like I expected but then again I don't know what I was expecting. No mention of ANX, bitcoin or startcoin.

Mar 3rd 2015, 18:22

Eric Gale

There's no documentation with the card?

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:00

Jamie Scott

Looks like the cards are coming through and being processed atm. Once cards have been confirmed they will begin loading them with the free START. Looking forward to getting mine too. :)

Mar 3rd 2015, 16:17

Aaron Welton

Got my card this morning too :)

Mar 3rd 2015, 15:03

Paul Young

ANX Card received this morning :)

Mar 3rd 2015, 14:28

Paul Young

ps- If anyone from the higher-ups at ANX happens to read this... I'd just like to take a moment to thank Patrick from customer support. All my emails to ANX have been answered by him in a timely, polite, and professional manner. It's always encouraging to receive good customer support.

Mar 4th 2015, 13:00

Eric Gale

Agreed. He has been really good to deal with.

Mar 4th 2015, 21:57

Daniel Keenan

Yes , all my questions were answered by customer support , great service .

Mar 4th 2015, 22:32

Limbaugh

Big Startcoin sell orders are starting to pop up. Folks must be getting their cards.

Mar 2nd 2015, 21:28

steven rogers

Received an email today confirming the new black debit card has been dispatched. Just thought this should be shared :)

Mar 2nd 2015, 17:05

Eric Gale

I received the same message, but I think they sent the wrong tracking number. When I searched on the Hong Kong Post site, it showed that the number was associated with a package that was sent, and delivered, to Croatia on Feb 16th. I am in Canada.

So, things are in motion.

Mar 2nd 2015, 17:10

Daniel Keenan

I also received email saying card dispatched , can't wait to get it and try it out

Mar 2nd 2015, 18:49

Eric Gale

I received an updated tracking number a few minutes ago. My cards should be on the way to Canada.

Mar 3rd 2015, 01:27

Jacob Trowbridge

I am reposting this because I posted in the wrong area:

I haven't received the email w/ the log-in info, so I attempted to go to the ANX site and register on my own. I am receiving an error code that they are not accepting any information from my jurisdiction/area, the US I assume, is anyone else experiencing this problem?

Feb 26th 2015, 21:01

StartJoin Revolution

Jacob mate, I can't even access the website, it was a couple of weeks back mate

Feb 26th 2015, 22:09

Eric Gale

Interesting. Jurisdiction issues. I have gone through the verification process for my account at anxpro. And, I have been told the cards would ship soon. The service desk has been really good at answering my questions. Send them an email.

Feb 26th 2015, 23:15

Eric Gale

I am located in Canada.

Feb 26th 2015, 23:18

Jacob Trowbridge

Just to make sure they are going to the correct area...I have sent an email on the 26th and 28th to the [email protected] and today I have sent one to the [email protected] No response yet. I assume these are these the correct email addresses. Please anyone advise on how to proceed.

Mar 2nd 2015, 01:03

Eric Gale

I used that support address for my initial contact. It took a few days after the first message to receive a reply.

Mar 2nd 2015, 01:37

Eric Gale

You should hear from them soon.

Mar 2nd 2015, 01:45

Adam Biros

There is this info available when you read Terms of use: you are confirming that you are not residing in, nor a citizen of, the United States of America. It is surprising to me, I would never thought that US is excluded...

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:12

Jostein Johansen

It may be because of US banking regulations.

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:28

Limbaugh

If US was excluded it should have been stated on the project details.

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:54

Joshua Cloud

Is this card not useful in the US?

Mar 3rd 2015, 20:02

John .

you are confirming that you are not residing in, nor a citizen of, the United States of America

Mar 3rd 2015, 20:14

Joshua Cloud

Looks like I got caught up in the SPEND IT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD JUST LIKE A CREDIT CARD marketing language. Silly me.

Mar 3rd 2015, 20:20

Eric Gale

I received a request from ANX to set up and verify an account on their site.
The message states that after my account is verified, then my card would be shipped out.
There was no mention of the fact that I ordered two cards from this campaign.
Nor did I receive a reply when I asked about it.

I guess everything will be figured out in due time.

I ordered the second card for my girlfriend, so I was wondering if she needs to set up and verify an account now, or if the 2nd card will just be associated with my account and verification.

Feb 20th 2015, 23:39

Eric Gale

Now that I've logged in, the ANX site looks pretty interesting. Looking forward to receiving the cards now.

Feb 21st 2015, 01:35

Jacob Trowbridge

Thanks Eric for the heads up. I will be checking my email now in anticipation of getting mine shipped.

Feb 21st 2015, 15:57

Jacob Trowbridge

Is it safe to assume, that when people receive their cards around March, they will naturally spend the balance, thus placing Start coin onto the market. Meaning, as soon as we receive our cards and use them the price will drop. So to have maximum purchasing power, you better spend quick. Is this a fair assessment?

Feb 15th 2015, 21:40

StartJoin Revolution

No Jacob, my idea of the ANX Card (if I could of got one) is hold long term and when the price increase you can spend. There will be people on here holding their StartCoin on that card for when StartCoin goes a lot higher in the future.

Feb 15th 2015, 21:44

Jacob Trowbridge

Excellent point, I do appreciate the input. I was looking at the highs and they were much higher than they are at now. Thanks again.

Feb 15th 2015, 21:50

StartJoin Revolution

Obviously I can't give financial advice but if I had received one I would be holding

Feb 15th 2015, 21:51

Eric Gale

That was my original assumption too. But, according to an earlier message, at load time - the USD value of the StartCOIN at that moment - will be added to the card. I don't believe there's any way to hold the StartCOIN for an increase in value.

Feb 15th 2015, 21:52

Eric Gale

At least that's what I understood from the earlier post.

Feb 15th 2015, 21:53

StartJoin Revolution

When StartCoin moves it moves, that's why all the cards went over night recently, it started moving up, people bought them up and left Start Revolution dismayed, LOL

Feb 15th 2015, 21:54

Eric Gale

The card will be able to be loaded with StartCoin which is converted to a USD at the time of the load request. The cards have a validity of two years. There are no annual fees. In the event of a lost card, funds can be transferred to another card. It is not possible to unload the cards back to crypto. Dave (ANX)

Feb 15th 2015, 21:57

Eric Gale

That's the earlier post about the card.

Feb 15th 2015, 21:57

StartJoin Revolution

Hi Eric, what I understand, StartCoin goes to a pound, that's £25,000 on the card correct?

Feb 15th 2015, 21:58

Eric Gale

Agreed. I was confused about this point. And, so were others, if you read down through the list. It would be great if the coins were loadable by the card owner from an account on ANX, but it's not clear.

Feb 15th 2015, 22:03

Eric Gale

I hope the coins are held separately. That would be awesome.

Feb 15th 2015, 22:05

Dave Franklin

Agreed Eric, i would like to hold and add to my @start balance on the card if possible...

Feb 15th 2015, 23:37

Mr Solomon

if the StartCOIN ANX Debit Card is the same as the standard ANX account & debit Card?
you can manually use the online ANX exchange to buy/sell crypto like Startcoin, litecoin, dogecoin etc... & BTC.
You can sell the other cryptocoins for BTC which is the default debitcards recharge currency.
this converts the amount of BTC you choose into USD onto the Debit Card.
minimum 100USD
cryptocoins stay in the exchange not on the card.
you can keep & much startcoin,BTC plus other coins in your exchange.
It sounds like to me, the 25000 startcoin is not redeemable other then on the exchange converted to USD on the debitcard.

Feb 16th 2015, 02:19

Max Keiser

Interestingly - it appears that as cards are arriving - price is going up - as people suddenly realize the longer term potential of StartJOIN/StartCOIN

Mar 3rd 2015, 19:44

Eric Gale

With a decent rise in the StartCOIN price, we could fund some awesome projects on this site.

Mar 4th 2015, 00:03

StartJoin Revolution

I hope there's a second round regarding this awesome project

Feb 12th 2015, 21:00

StartJoin Revolution

Oh dear, looks like my begging has helped end this project early, lol. I was planning to buy 1 right at the end.

Feb 12th 2015, 20:51

StartJoin Revolution

I want one of this cards. Do an extra dozen before the end date please.

Feb 12th 2015, 19:41

Seamus OD

Can anyone clarify the status of this project as comments suggest that it may be no longer available.

Feb 11th 2015, 20:07

John .

Afraid it is sold out

Feb 11th 2015, 20:12

David Scully

My wife is going to kill me I was going to get one for her tonight :(

Feb 11th 2015, 16:31

Europe Crypto Group

They Went like Hot Cake....... Congrats to everybody who bought.

Feb 11th 2015, 16:11

Eric Gale

I managed to snag one of the last ones.

Feb 11th 2015, 16:12

Eric Gale

Onward, upward

Feb 11th 2015, 16:12

Europe Crypto Group

Eric smart move, the force is strong with this one.... LOL :)

Feb 11th 2015, 16:15

Eric Gale

It was my second card. It's for my GF. Now she will be forced to move into cryto.

Feb 11th 2015, 16:16

K M

Wow I literally just got mine today. :D Got lucky there

Feb 11th 2015, 16:24

K M

I bought my card today for $ 155 ( 0.70038 BTC)

Coinmarketcap.com: $ 0.015079/START which makes 25000 START worth $ 377
Coinwarz.com: $ 0.0153/START which makes 25000 START worth $ 382,5

Not bad at all if you ask me :D

Feb 11th 2015, 13:48

Aaron Welton

before i pledge i have a question... Is the card loadable for more Startcoin and Bitcoin or will it only hold startcoin?

Feb 11th 2015, 11:53

Aaron Welton

before i pledge i have a question... Is the card loadable for more Startcoin and Bitcoin or will it only hold startcoin?

Feb 11th 2015, 11:52

Dave Franklin

Cant wait to get my ANX Debit Card

Feb 10th 2015, 22:33

Mr Solomon

it works perfect my first ANX debit card purchase @. noodle canteen

Feb 11th 2015, 06:34

Ike N.

The debit card works for both StartCOINs and bitcoins?

Feb 11th 2015, 08:08

K M

That's awesome I just bought my card today.

Feb 11th 2015, 13:41

Dave Ronin

no sure if this has been clarified yet - I got the Standard HKD card because I verified my account with ANX. Are we going to automatically get another USD based card - how will us getting the cards work?

Feb 16th 2015, 17:02

Dimitri Dhuyvetter

I backed this because it is a very good deal, but it sounds to good to be true, which usualy means it is. Hope it can deliver otherwise it would be very bad for StartJoin.
Just one question: who is paying for the difference between what is pledged and what actually needs to be payed to ANX? I am sure they aren't just going to give away money for free. The 25000 Startcoin on the card means there is about 100 USD per card that has to come from somewhere, with 124 backers that is 12.400 USD

Feb 10th 2015, 10:20

Max Keiser

Instead of us paying for marketing - why not just give money that we would have spent on marketing to our community? StartJOIN has ambitions to be the biggest crowdfunding platform in the world - this means we have to seriously reward our early adopters and supporters.

Feb 10th 2015, 10:25

Max Keiser

I'm traveling the world seeking out the best partners to work with. ANX is a fantastic company in Hong Kong. Thanks to our friends there, we're soon rolling out many more exciting opportunities for StartJOIN'ers

Feb 10th 2015, 10:27

Europe Crypto Group

genuis idea for paying ur community instead of marketing. #Start

Feb 10th 2015, 10:27

Max Keiser

Did you know that every week we give away roughly 20,000 StartCOIN to the Leaderboard leaders, high karma score leaders and START balances held on site? This number is set to grow as we grow. Our vision is to create an INCLUSIVE economy excluding no one from opportunity

Feb 10th 2015, 10:30

Gert

Hi. A stupid question here. Can you also withdraw cash in euro or paying with euro in the stores since it's issued in usd?

Feb 9th 2015, 19:55

K M

From what I've gathered the payment for the card is in BTC ($155 in value).

Feb 11th 2015, 13:53

K M

But the money you withdraw will most likely be your everyday currency because these cards are sent all over the place

Feb 11th 2015, 13:54

Gert

THX-) We'll see when I get mine.

Feb 11th 2015, 16:09

marketing ANX

Yes. You can withdraw cash and transact in Euro but an exchange rate will applied. If you have any problem, please do not hesitate to email us at [email protected]

Mar 19th 2015, 09:59

Ike N.

Can someone please explain the benefits of pledging this project? If you pledge money into this project, you receive a free StartCOIN ANX Debit Card? Is this different from the Debit Card they are already giving out for the the HKD version?

Feb 9th 2015, 09:08

Jostein Johansen

The card is filled with 25000 startcoin, currently priced at $ 0.010264/start = 256,5$

Feb 9th 2015, 09:42

Stacy Herbert

Woah That's turned out to be a great deal. I bought lower. Yeeha.

Feb 9th 2015, 11:38

Ike N.

What is the minimum amount of StartCOINs? USD? to pledge in order to receive the StartCOIN ANX Debit Card? (Sorry, I'm still new here). Thanks for the help guys..

Feb 10th 2015, 06:51

Europe Crypto Group

155 USD , it has a option to click on it when making the payment.

Feb 10th 2015, 08:29

Frank Verhoek

This looks like a very cool project

Feb 9th 2015, 01:04

K M

That's because it is

Feb 11th 2015, 13:57

Europe Crypto Group

kristoff thanks for the info about the and card, can't wait to use them.

Feb 7th 2015, 17:47

K M

you're welcome, sharing the knowledge

Feb 7th 2015, 22:08

michael mccullagh

Ok, I messed up buying one of these cards. I sent the btc and then deleted the receipt by accident almost immediately and it didn't go through. What can I do?

Feb 6th 2015, 18:13

michael mccullagh

Thanks Dave. Bitpays customer service is great.

Feb 8th 2015, 20:08